jerome at jeromebaum.com
Tue Mar 22 17:07:47 CET 2011
"Robert J. Hansen" <rjh at sixdemonbag.org> writes:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:37:16 +0000, Jerome Baum <jerome at jeromebaum.com>
>> Part thought experiment, part practical usage. I was thinking more in
>> terms of a German court asking me to turn over evidence -- but then,
>> there still might be a lead pipe involved outside the scope of a court
> The amount of lead pipe a court can swing at you in many ways exceeds the
> amount of lead pipe organized crime can throw at you. Let's do this
> thought experiment again, but this time with a zealous prosecutor who is
> sincerely doing what she believes to be her job. Further, assume you have
> a deniable cryptosystem: you can't deny you received the message, but you
> can neither prove nor disprove having the ability to read it.
> Alice and Bob are plotting a heinous crime -- terrorism, narcotics
> trafficking, child exploitation, whatever. They know their communications
> are being monitored and they are using a deniable cryptosystem. They have
> also made plans for what to do if either of them ever gets arrested: they
> will do their best to incriminate someone else, so that the surviving
> conspirator will have time to go to ground and continue their plans of
> Alice gets picked up by the cops. Paula Prosecutor interrogates her.
> Alice says, "my co-conspirator was Jerome Baum." This is a lie, of course,
> but all Alice needs to do is give the police someone to chase after for a
> few days while Bob goes into hiding. Alice has sent you some innocuous
> messages through a deniable system in order to make you a good candidate
> for being made their patsy.
What stops her from sending me real messages with this kind of content?
Even non-encrypted? I could reply "I don't know what you're talking
about", but how does the prosecutor care? The only way I could get out
of it is to show I don't have any connection with Alice, but there is no
way I could ever do that -- as Sven mention off-list, the mere existence
of deniable systems gives me this danger.
In fact the existence of criminals gives me the danger of being accused
-- it does not make deniable systems a problem.
Also, when did Alice turn evil? :)
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