New feature for GPG
David McDonald
david.mcdonald at securitymail.com.au
Wed Nov 6 04:38:01 CET 2002
Noel,
I don't know where you're from (it looks like you are in Spain), and I don't
know how your post office works, but here in Australia, I think the post
office will only stamp an item if it is being mailed.
In doing so, the post office only verifies that they received an item on a
given day and that they will attempt to deliver it. The post office have
their own rules concerning delivery times to given destinations. By
implication, one can assert that an item **should** have been received by a
given date - but not in all cases. In law, in Australia, unless otherwise
amended by a more specific law, an item is deemed to have been delivered the
day it is lodged with the post office (that's buried somewhere in the post
and telecommunications act, 1901 as amended).
I see a number of problems with the time stamping service as proposed:
1) Why should the time stamping service have to deal with the
huge size
that some mail attains?
Better perhaps to just timestamp a message digest or hash.
Given
that the signature has one of these and it is only a few
bytes,
this might be reasonable
2) The service makes no attempt to deliver the item to its
addressee -
it returns it to the sender. This is a little like a
kidnapper
photographing an individual with today's newspaper held up
in
front of them. It proves the mail (or kidnapped person)
existed
on the day in question, but there is no proof that the mail
(or
the kidnapped person) will be delivered.
And then we get back to the size of the mail issue.
If we only sign a message digest, it's a little like taking
a
photograph of a photograph with today's newspaper. It proves
that
the mail (or kidnapped person) existed at some point
prior to the day (not that they still exist).
Is this useful?
3) Is the time service trustworthy? This not only questions the
integrity
of the individuals running the service, but also the
reliability and
infallibility of their equipment.
What would happen if they were using GPS as their time
reference and
someone set up a bogus GPS constellation? (This is not a new
suggestion
and it has entered the public arena recently in an edition
of Scientific
American - though it may have entered public awareness
earlier than this
from other sources too).
To what accuracy would the timestamp be made. Presumably
this would be
different for different timeservers. Perhaps the accuracy
should be
included in the timestamp.
Does adding cryptography really add anything to a service that does not use
encryption but does log all mail? I note that SMTP servers that handle mail
typically timestamp all mail that they handle without the added burden of
cryptography. (Your suggestion was time stamped by a number of servers
before it reached me - I assume that most of these keep logs)
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Anyway, that's just a few things for you to think about.
Regards,
Dave McDonald
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