Announced chat control by the EU

Robert J. Hansen rjh at sixdemonbag.org
Mon Oct 6 15:55:38 CEST 2025


> That is the good part. The bad part is that in that jurisdiction
> the government can legally compel any company or individual to
> assist it by whatever means deemed necessary in the subversion
> of communication secrecy in any product it provides to the
> public. While this may - and has been - tested in court, I very
> much doubt GnuPG has the resources to to so.

I used to work professionally in a digital forensics lab that had a lot 
of government customers. I *am* one of the people the United States 
government has called upon to subvert security mechanisms in order to 
gain access to information. I was regularly briefed by Legal on 
government cooperation.

At the end of each briefing we received the same bottom line: "if any 
representative of the government tells you to do something, don't do 
that something. Say 'I want my lawyer', *nothing else*, and then make 
two phone calls: one to us here in Legal, and one to your own national 
security attorney. We're three floors above you and we'll be in your 
office in five minutes. Don't even touch the warrant or the device 
unless we're in the room telling you to do it."

My takeaway from a decade of briefings on just this subject is it's way 
more complicated than you seem to think. Specifically, you're glorifying 
the All Writs Act and the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement 
Act above the blackletter text of the Constitution. You're also 
forgetting that individuals have a lot more ability to resist such 
orders than do corporations.

(Note: the following is a fairly deep dive into the subject. This is an 
off-the-top-of-my-head summary of a decade of legal briefings I had to 
sit through, nothing more. I am not a lawyer. I am especially not your 
lawyer. This is really super especially not legal advice. If you need 
legal advice, seek competent counsel in your jurisdiction, not me!)

The Fifth Amendment guarantees your right against self-incrimination. 
Imagine there's a safe which was used by a mobster, but they don't know 
who the mobsters are. So they seize the safe with a warrant and start 
parading suspects in front of it: "open the safe, now." One person after 
another says "I don't know the combination" and is let go. Now it's your 
turn. You're completely innocent, but you DO know the combination. 
Revealing the fact you know the combination might reasonably expose you 
to risk of criminal prosecution, so ... ding ding ding!, Fifth Amendment 
applies. "I invoke my Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. 
Hey, also, I want a lawyer before we go further."

Would the FBI know you were a mobster? Sure, absolutely. But they would 
know it in a way that couldn't lawfully be used by the government for 
any purpose, *including investigation,* since invocations of the Fifth 
and Sixth Amendments ("I want a lawyer") are considered sacred and 
cannot be used to support government action.

So, right there's one very broad way individuals can refuse to cooperate 
with United States government investigations: assert their Fifth 
Amendment rights. Are there legal countermoves to this? Sure, mostly 
involving involuntary grants of immunity, and there are countermoves to 
countermoves. The existence of countermoves does not change the bottom 
line: the Fifth Amendment can be *incredibly* useful in refusing to 
cooperate with a government investigation.

Next up is the Thirteenth Amendment. "Neither slavery nor involuntary 
servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have 
been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place 
subject to their jurisdiction." We fought a war about that one. The text 
is clear: there will be no involuntary service except as punishment for 
crimes. Criminal convicts can be ordered to perform a variety of tasks, 
but the government has no authority to order *anyone* to perform 
services for them involuntarily. (How this balances against military 
conscription is, of course, a deeply fascinating ball of yarn: start 
with _Arver_ in 1918.)

Okay. The Constitutional issues aside, let's look at the All Writs Act, 
which the FBI attempted to use to compel Apple to bypass a PIN for them 
in 2015.

You know what people forget about that case?

The Department of Justice dropped it.

The day before oral argument was due to be made, FBI dropped the case 
saying they'd found a third party (rumor is Azimuth; Grayshift and 
Cellebrite are other likely suspects) who was able to bypass the iPhone 
security measures in question.

If DoJ had been confident of winning, they wouldn't have dropped it. 
They would've taken it to a final judgment and used that precedent in 
other cases. Instead, there was a significant risk they would lose, and 
they elected to drop it.

So, yeah. The question of whether companies can be compelled via the All 
Writs Act or CALEA to cooperate with government investigations is 
complicated, there are no easy answers, and DoJ has been really eager to 
*not* explore this one in court. They're afraid they'd lose.

There's a lot of room for hope here.

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