Announced chat control by the EU
Robert J. Hansen
rjh at sixdemonbag.org
Mon Oct 6 15:55:38 CEST 2025
> That is the good part. The bad part is that in that jurisdiction
> the government can legally compel any company or individual to
> assist it by whatever means deemed necessary in the subversion
> of communication secrecy in any product it provides to the
> public. While this may - and has been - tested in court, I very
> much doubt GnuPG has the resources to to so.
I used to work professionally in a digital forensics lab that had a lot
of government customers. I *am* one of the people the United States
government has called upon to subvert security mechanisms in order to
gain access to information. I was regularly briefed by Legal on
government cooperation.
At the end of each briefing we received the same bottom line: "if any
representative of the government tells you to do something, don't do
that something. Say 'I want my lawyer', *nothing else*, and then make
two phone calls: one to us here in Legal, and one to your own national
security attorney. We're three floors above you and we'll be in your
office in five minutes. Don't even touch the warrant or the device
unless we're in the room telling you to do it."
My takeaway from a decade of briefings on just this subject is it's way
more complicated than you seem to think. Specifically, you're glorifying
the All Writs Act and the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement
Act above the blackletter text of the Constitution. You're also
forgetting that individuals have a lot more ability to resist such
orders than do corporations.
(Note: the following is a fairly deep dive into the subject. This is an
off-the-top-of-my-head summary of a decade of legal briefings I had to
sit through, nothing more. I am not a lawyer. I am especially not your
lawyer. This is really super especially not legal advice. If you need
legal advice, seek competent counsel in your jurisdiction, not me!)
The Fifth Amendment guarantees your right against self-incrimination.
Imagine there's a safe which was used by a mobster, but they don't know
who the mobsters are. So they seize the safe with a warrant and start
parading suspects in front of it: "open the safe, now." One person after
another says "I don't know the combination" and is let go. Now it's your
turn. You're completely innocent, but you DO know the combination.
Revealing the fact you know the combination might reasonably expose you
to risk of criminal prosecution, so ... ding ding ding!, Fifth Amendment
applies. "I invoke my Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.
Hey, also, I want a lawyer before we go further."
Would the FBI know you were a mobster? Sure, absolutely. But they would
know it in a way that couldn't lawfully be used by the government for
any purpose, *including investigation,* since invocations of the Fifth
and Sixth Amendments ("I want a lawyer") are considered sacred and
cannot be used to support government action.
So, right there's one very broad way individuals can refuse to cooperate
with United States government investigations: assert their Fifth
Amendment rights. Are there legal countermoves to this? Sure, mostly
involving involuntary grants of immunity, and there are countermoves to
countermoves. The existence of countermoves does not change the bottom
line: the Fifth Amendment can be *incredibly* useful in refusing to
cooperate with a government investigation.
Next up is the Thirteenth Amendment. "Neither slavery nor involuntary
servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have
been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place
subject to their jurisdiction." We fought a war about that one. The text
is clear: there will be no involuntary service except as punishment for
crimes. Criminal convicts can be ordered to perform a variety of tasks,
but the government has no authority to order *anyone* to perform
services for them involuntarily. (How this balances against military
conscription is, of course, a deeply fascinating ball of yarn: start
with _Arver_ in 1918.)
Okay. The Constitutional issues aside, let's look at the All Writs Act,
which the FBI attempted to use to compel Apple to bypass a PIN for them
in 2015.
You know what people forget about that case?
The Department of Justice dropped it.
The day before oral argument was due to be made, FBI dropped the case
saying they'd found a third party (rumor is Azimuth; Grayshift and
Cellebrite are other likely suspects) who was able to bypass the iPhone
security measures in question.
If DoJ had been confident of winning, they wouldn't have dropped it.
They would've taken it to a final judgment and used that precedent in
other cases. Instead, there was a significant risk they would lose, and
they elected to drop it.
So, yeah. The question of whether companies can be compelled via the All
Writs Act or CALEA to cooperate with government investigations is
complicated, there are no easy answers, and DoJ has been really eager to
*not* explore this one in court. They're afraid they'd lose.
There's a lot of room for hope here.
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